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Caution: Danger Ahead — R. Rodriguez/FPA
Posted by: Kenster (IP Logged)
Date: February 21, 2012 07:20AM

CAUTION: DANGER AHEAD Speech to Institute for Private Investors. By Robert L. Rodriguez, CFA
Managing Partner and CEO, February 15, 2012

Excerpts:

I hope that this brief historical review of my career should help allay fears that what follows does not come from the likes of a perennial pessimist and doomsayer. Neither does "CAUTION: DANGER AHEAD" spring from recent capital market volatility. Oh, No! When I left to take my sabbatical for a year in 2010, I conveyed to my associates and clients that the current crisis was only Phase 1, and the coming year would prove to be simply an interlude. If the nation's unsound fiscal policies persisted, within 3 to 7 years, it would face another financial crisis of equal or greater magnitude, and it would emanate from the federal level. I wish I had said sovereign level, covering all my bases, but I did not arrive at this conclusion until once away on sabbatical when my attention and thinking shifted to the international area--European sovereign debt in particular.

Phase 2 is now beginning and I think we are on the cusp of a decade of extreme economic and financial market turbulence. Uncertainty as to the effects of high system wide financial leverage and the outcome of the battle to determine what the proper roll and magnitude of government should be within an economy are key elements in this future turmoil.


The final member of this trio of fiscal misfits is our own United States. Exhibit 5 below shows that U.S. total debt to GDP is nearly 350%, and this is before taking into account off balance sheet entitlement liabilities and guarantees that would bring it to more than 500%.


I have been highly critical of our nation's fiscal policies and budgetary trends for years. Both political parties disgust me because of their incredible fiscal ineptitude and unwillingness to be truthful with the American people. A chaotic future will be the result if our representatives continue to fail at their fiscal restructuring responsibilities. It is easy for me to speak of Europe and Japan in cold clinical terms, but not the U.S.; this is home and our nation's fiscal mess is like a life threatening cancer that is not being treated.

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I believe 2013 is the most crucial year, of the past 80 years, for fiscal budgetary reform and the potential of new health entitlements makes a grand bargain more difficult to attain. Success or failure in this process will determine this nation's economic stability in the next decade.

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Finally, tax reform is desperately needed. The following exhibit demonstrates, in a quantitative fashion, how the U.S. tax code has grown and become totally bazaar at nearly 72,000 pages and has nearly tripled since 1984.

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If credible and material fiscal reforms are not implemented by the end of 2013, I fear that, between 2014 and 2016, this nation will confront a crisis similar to that of Europe. Time is running out because, starting in 2018 and continuing through 2024, various entitlement trust funds will be either depleted or beginning the process of liquidation. Budgetary financial pressures will explode.

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Every additional year wasted beyond 2013 will increase the size and scope of the necessary fiscal response; furthermore, negative capital market reactions are more likely. Congress and the president should not become complacent, given today's low Treasury yields. Without reform, this is only a temporary calm before a much larger storm.

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My bond market view is worse. Exhibit 8 on the next page demonstrates how much risk, and little return, there is if interest rates rise by 100 basis points in one year for the Barclays Aggregate Index.

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Without a material improvement in the fiscal outlook, these low rates should prove to be unsustainable. Remember the suddenness and magnitude of the interest rate rise for Italian and Spanish ten-year sovereign bond yields this past year. Over the next decade, I expect low single-digit to negative total returns for intermediate and long-term bonds.

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In stocks, we are cautious -- defensive but opportunistic.

CAUTION: DANGER AHEAD

http://fpafunds.com/pdfs/commentaries/Caution_Danger.pdf



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Re Caution Danger Ahead --- R Rodriguez FPA
Posted by: AlbertaSunwapta (IP Logged)
Date: February 21, 2012 09:17AM

I believe it may have been in a Kotlikoff article I read many years ago that stated that the entitlement shell game / ponzi scheme was scheduled to end around 2015 as the net receipts vs payments become "real" and actual draw down begins. Hence, change of some sort will happen soon.

That said, so what? You go from a notional middleman to a real middleman - taxes flow in to government and then flow out to retirees who then spend the money. If they spend it in America, some health care worker, apartment owner, grocery store owner records revenue. Dramatically cut entitlements and the rest of the working world decides that government is no longer 'stable' or reliable, you can't count on your government in retirement and so you must fend for yourself and oversave and thus not spend. That's the definition of a recession if not a depression.

For years, those same retirees now about to collect payments once used to collect payments themselves as workers, Yet they were mere middlemen, taking their earnings and then passing on an increasingly larger proportion of them to the "unproductive" child care and educational sectors as they raised their own children. Facetiously speaking, children are, like government, consumers of capital - yet no one griped about this huge 'misallocation' of capital in the 1950s and 1960s - nor do they today.

The issues will come from crowding out of other government spending by entitlement programs, the loss of workers at higher salary and tax levels as boomers retire, the ability to service the debt based without attaining a trade surplus, credit availability and commensurate interest rates, etc. Moreover, the boomer generation may not live as long as recent elderly generations but healthcare technology presents a dangerous wildcard.



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Re Caution Danger Ahead --- R Rodriguez FPA
Posted by: Jose Vasquez (IP Logged)
Date: February 22, 2012 06:08AM




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