GuruFocus.com -- Stock Picks and  Market Insight of Warren Buffett Gurus


Forums are for serious investors only. GuruFocus Forum Rules.



New Threads Only:  Add to Google Reader or Homepage
New Threads & Replies:  Add to Google Reader or Homepage


Forum List » Value Ideas and Strategies
Share and discuss value investing ideas and investing strategies.
New Topic Search
Goto Thread: PreviousNext
Goto: Forum ListMessage ListNew TopicSearchLog In
SO, if banks start paying back TARP funds .....
Posted by: kfh227 (IP Logged)
Date: April 14, 2009 09:53PM

How long until the dividend get increased to historical levels?

Of course, my thoughts are general and nature and not in regards to specific banks.

I myself am assuming that it will be atleast a year before banks start ramping up the payout, even if the TARP funds are repaid. Just to build a better capital base.

I don't really expect historical norms to come back soon, but I can iamgien that 40-50% payout ratios will be seen again within 5 years.

Kinda curious of what others think about banks in general.

Disclosure: I own:
BAC
BBT
USB
WFC


Rate this post:

Rating: 0.0/5 (0 votes)



Re: SO, if banks start paying back TARP funds .....
Posted by: Sivaram (IP Logged)
Date: April 15, 2009 04:06PM

I think it will take a while to increase payouts. There are still potential problems that hasn't really shown up yet, such as credit card losses, auto loan losses, commercial real estate losses, and so on. But the impact would depend on the bank. Most of the losses in residential real estate so far seems to have hit the megabanks while the commercial real estate losses will hit the regional banks. The market is already pricing in a lot of downside but it's not clear how much is accounted for. There will be a huge difference between the winners and the losers.

Furthermore, I am in the camp who believes that the financial landscape has changed forever. I do not think financial institutions will earn as much profit as they have in the last 30 years. The financial revolution is over.

Banks will earn high profits right now because NIM (net interest margin, or spread between cost of financing and what the yare lending out at) is extremely high. But the FedRes is not going to provide cheap financing for very long, if the economy recovers. Bank profitability will start weakening when interest rates go up, and a lot of the near-free financing offered by central banks dissapear. Just to give an idea, some banks are issuing debt backed by the FDIC. When the FDIC stops backing that debt, financing costs will go up.

---------
Check out my investing blog - contrarian with a macro focus and a value investing tilt: Can Turtles Fly? A Contrarian Investing Blog.


Rate this post:

Rating: 0.0/5 (0 votes)





Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Please Login if you have an account or Create a Free Account if you don't



If you like this page, you will love Our Premium Membership, Take a Free Trial.



Tell your friends about This Page:

Your friends' emails: (Comma separated)
Your email address:
Message :

Latest Forum Posts

»nishidry: Comment for Fair Value Calculation... (1 reply)
»juliet: View on BBEP (2 replies)
»therocktm: View on TUES
»WVater9419: View on CCBD
»superguru: MorningStar premium membership ?
»GoliveraM: View on Warren Buffett (1 reply)
»superguru: It seems I forgot that markets... (19 replies)
»expectingrain: Free Cash Flow estimators (1 reply)
»superguru: Bond outperforming stocks in 2010 (4 replies)
»hvogel222@aol.com: View on CHK
»gurufocus: GuruFocus Featured in Barron's (4 replies)
»jimmyjam: What's The Story With OID? (6 replies)
»guruek: Keynesian Krugman Without a Clue (2 replies)
»rlawson36: View on Third Avenue Management
»rjkemp: View on Warren Buffett

Latest Comments

» cm1750: Re: Bill Ackman on Kraft Foods In....
» Toddius: Re: Investing in Japan: Two Ways t....
» jimmyjam: Re: What's The Story With OID?
» nishidry: Comment for Fair Value Calculation ...
» augustabound: Re: Bruce Greenwald Interview on Be...
» Toddius: Re: View on BBEP
» tk77mann: Re: Wisdom from Seth Klarman - Par....
» benethridge: Re: Bruce Berkowitz bought some Cit...
» harison: Re: It seems I forgot that markets ...
» yswolinsky: Re: Prince Al-Waleed Comments on G....
» yswolinsky: Re: Nouriel Roubini: The Stock Mar....
» stockdocx99: Re: Computer Sciences Corp. – A B...
» yswolinsky: Re: A cheap Small Cap value Stock ....
» kfh227: Re: View on Warren Buffett
» kfh227: Re: Free Cash Flow estimators
Friendly Links:
Best Penny Stocks
Penny Stock Picks Rising +950%! 100% Winning Streak! Sign Up Now FREE!
Protect Your Portfolio
Insure your stocks against market downturns with Portfolio Armor.
The Best Magic Formula Stock Picks
We find the best Magic Formula stocks. Avoid the fad, debt-laden, or dying companies. See them now for FREE.
3 Hidden Penny Stocks Poised to Soar up to 300% --
By the time Wall Street notices these 3 picks revealed in this report, you could be sitting on a fortune! Click Here to Receive Your Free Report.
List Your Website Here
(> 1 million page impressions a month)

Create your FREE account:

Username*: 
Email*: 
Password*: 
Re-enter*:
By signing up I agree and consent to (a) the GuruFocus Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, (b) receive Monthly Stock Alert from GuruFocus electronically.
Home Advertise Site Map Term of Use Privacy Policy Subscribe FAQ Contact Us
© 2004-2010 GuruFocus.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Disclaimers: GuruFocus.com is not operated by a broker, a dealer, or a registered investment adviser. Under no circumstances does any information posted on GuruFocus.com represent a recommendation to buy or sell a security. The information on this site, and in its related newsletters, is not intended to be, nor does it constitute, investment advice or recommendations. The gurus may buy and sell securities nm,qwerty1234567890-67890-uytrewpoiuytrewq a before and after any particular article and report and information herein is published, with respect to the securities discussed in any article and report posted herein. In no event shall GuruFocus.com be liable to any member, guest or third party for any damages of any kind arising out of the use of any content or other material published or available on GuruFocus.com, or relating to the use of, or inability to use, GuruFocus.com or any content, including, without limitation, any investment losses, lost profits, lost opportunity, special, incidental, indirect, consequential or punitive damages. Past performance is a poor indicator of future performance. The information on this site, and in its related newsletters, is not intended to be, nor does it constitute, investment advice or recommendations. The information on this site is in no way guaranteed for completeness, accuracy or in any other way. The gurus listed in this website are not affiliated with GuruFocus.com, LLC.

Daily updates provided by QuoteMedia, Inc. (CSI). Fundamental company data provided by Zacks, Inc.