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What is Seth Klarman Hiding From Us?

November 22, 2009 | About:
Currently, Seth Klarman is very popular in the value investment community. He is particularly popular on Gurufocus.com, where people are literally watching every move he makes.

Like other money managers, we have no complete idea of what he owns in his portfolio since he is not required to report that information. The best way to get information on his holdings is by looking at what Baupost Group, the hedge fund that he manages, holds. Like any other hedge fund, Baupost is forced to disclose their holdings quarterly in their 13-F. There is a time delay between the end of the quarter and the date of the release. For Q3 2009, Baupost released its 13-F on November 10th. This is a forty day delay.

Additionally, Baupost does not have to reveal what prices it bought the holdings at, but only what positions it was holding on September 30th, 2009. If a security is purchased on July 1st, you will not know about that until November. By the time you are getting that information, it is extremely outdated. This is true for all hedge funds, mutual funds, and institutional investors with over 100 million assets under management. These institutions are all given up to 45 days from the end of the quarter to file their 13-F.

We can already see why it is hard to track accurately what institutional managers are doing, but Baupost Group is particularly hard to track. The reason for this is Klarman's secretive nature. Klarman's famous book Margin of Safety has been out of print for over a decade and is currently selling for $1,800 on amazon.com. It is one of the most stolen books from libraries and it costs several hundred dollars to get a used copy. People have speculated that the reason Klarman's book is out of print is because he regrets revealing many of his investment secrets. This is not the only manner in which Klarman seems to be secretive. Even getting information about Baupost's meetings can be quite difficult. Recently, notes were leaked about the Baupost meeting that took place in October 29th. They were immediately widely disseminated all over the Internet by hungry investors. However within a few days, these notes were removed from many websites and replace by a message, “removed by request of the author." If you click on Baupost's site, you will not receive any additional information. The site lists the Fund's phone number, address, and a secured login for clients. If you are not a client, they will not provide any more information on the website. They are currently not accepting new clients.

Baupost group is one of the largest hedge funds in the world, yet it is so guarded. In fact, very few people have heard of it or Klarman, its founder. This is in contrast to some other large hedge fund managers such as John Paulson and George Soros (who are both widely known both inside and outside the investment community). For example, if you google their names, Soros has over two million hits and Paulson has one million hits. On the other hand, Klarman has less than eighty thousand hits.

One of the biggest mysteries about Klarman is what is he is actually holding in his portfolio. You can see his stock and convertible bond holdings and their value filed under the 13-F. In Baupost's 13-F for Q3, total securities listed are $1.36 billion dollars. Klarman stated that he had 30% of his portfolio in cash which is not listed on the 13-F.

Now, here is the shocking part. I called up Baupost and they informed me that they had slightly under $20 billion assets under management. Let us assume that they are managing about $18 billion because that is slightly under the amount they named. That means $6 billion is in cash and $1.36 billion is in stocks and convertible bonds. That leaves more than 50% of their assets or about $10.6 billion not listed in their 13-F. On many websites, it is stated that Klarman's largest holding is News Corp., which is 25% of his assets, yet this is only 25% of his stated stocks on the 13F. He has a $250 million stake in News corp. So while it is 25% of his stated assets, it is only a meager 1.3% of his total assets! It is not always so difficult to find out what hedge funds are invested in. For example, John Paulson has about $30 billion under management, and $20 billion of this is publically available on his 13F. This $1.36 billion is not an insignificant number, however it is clear that most of his return are coming not from the $6 billion in cash or even the $1.36 billion in stocks and convertibles. Most of his return is coming from his bond holdings. In fact, we would not even know that he had $6 billion had the notes not leaked out from the Baupost meeting. Without these details, all one would know is that Baupost had $1.3 billion in convertibles and stocks and about $17 billion unaccounted for.

One important thing to remember is when you see that Klarman has posted 20% returns annually, you might think you can achieve the same returns by coping him. However, this is not necessarily the case since most of his gains are coming from his bonds (which are not reported). This does not mean that Klarman is not an amazing stock investor or that his stock investments should be ignored. In fact, he has achieved some spectacular results from his stock portfolio, including a recent 75% return in one day from his holding in Facet Biotech Corporation. The significance of the above information is one must realize before trying to mimic Klarman is that you are only seeing a small fraction of the full picture. I doubt we will ever know what Klarman’s full holdings truly are.

disclosure: I do not own any of the securities mentioned in this article.

About the author:

My investment ideas have been inspired by many of value investors including Benjamin Graham, Charles Royce, John Neff, Joel Greenblatt, Peter Lynch, Seth Klarman,Martin Whitman and Bruce Greenwald. .I live with my wife and daughter in Monsey, NY. I can be contacted jacobwolinsky(AT)gmail.com and my blog is www.valuewalk.com

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Comments

DeepValue
DeepValue - 3 years ago


don't forget that hedge fund investors are also competitve and may insist that the manager doesn't share information. iow, they want Klarman and his process for themselves.
jrgregory
Jrgregory - 3 years ago
Most of his holdings are currently in debt, such as the debt of CIT Group.
tk77mann
Tk77mann - 3 years ago
Why does this author think Seth Klarman and Baupost should reveal more than is required by investment regulations and laws?


What are Coca-Cola, IBM, and Proctor & Gamble hiding from us? Everything they need to so they can operate as successful growing companies.

Baupost invests for the benefit of its investors, not to generate information for the general public.

Baupost also happens to be one of the most non-autocratic, employee-supportive, and positive hedge funds, from what I have read about it. Their investment process is what makes them so successful, not anything they are "hiding". (Disclosure: I know no one employed there, nor have I ever been an employee of Baupost.)

Their clients are only non-profits, they allow every manager a voice to every investment discussion and decision, and they reward all of their employees based on the success of the firm. The latter is different from most investment companies that reward individual managers for the return on what they bring in, profit-wise. This policy causes a conflict of interest where each manager has a bias against other managers' investment ideas since their own ideas may not get funded. Baupost picks the best ideas from all managers and shares the rewards among all of its people.

There are plenty of internet sites that document how Seth Klarment and Baupost make their investment decisions. (See http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=71172) for one great summary from Dah Hui Lau. Baupost's investment methodology is fairly direct, consistent, and has worked very well for 25+ years. These results reveal to the astute investor more than enough information.
paulwallba
Paulwallba - 3 years ago


he is hiding his crappy performance record for the last two years.
yswolinsky
Yswolinsky - 3 years ago


"he is hiding his crappy performance record for the last two years."

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that he had poor performance the last two years?
paulwallba
Paulwallba - 3 years ago


yes... .read the notes from his shareholder meeting.... It's full of excuses for why he hasn't performed as well as the market. In retrospect, he has probably missed the greatest stock market rally of his lifetime, having only 1-2% in equities over the last year. He also highlights his best returns for this year, a 100+% return on a small distressed debt position. While I'm sure a lot of his positions have yet to play out, putting together the pieces, it only makes sense that if you benchmark him to almost any fund this year, he has seriously underperformed.
yswolinsky
Yswolinsky - 3 years ago
"yes... .read the notes from his shareholder meeting.... It's full of excuses for why he hasn't performed as well as the market. In retrospect, he has probably missed the greatest stock market rally of his lifetime, having only 1-2% in equities over the last year. He also highlights his best returns for this year, a 100+% return on a small distressed debt position. While I'm sure a lot of his positions have yet to play out, putting together the pieces, it only makes sense that if you benchmark him to almost any fund this year, he has seriously underperformed."

Can you show me the numbers to back up your claim. I am curious to see them. Thanks!

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