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Meeting with Mason Hawkins

May 17, 2007
Sham Gad

Sham Gad

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I just returned from Memphis were I had the good fortune to attend my very first Longleaf Partners Annual Meeting of Shareholders. Although only an hour and a half in length, I was baffled at why I had waited so long to attend.  I have been reading about Mason since I was 20 or so but it never occurred to meet to attend a annual meeting of a mutual fund.  I do not invest in Longleaf--although it would be wise to do so--but Mr. Hawkins, true to his character, was gracious enough to invite me to the meeting and get this--the private dinner for the senior members of the Longleaf team.   There is no other mutual fund group, to my knowledge, that offers a more candid communication with thier shareholders. 

Because Mason Hawkins runs a mutual fund, I sometimes think that he is not given the ultimate credit that ought to be afforded to someone with his achievements. In retrospect, I think the record at Longleaf is all the more spectacular  given the operating regulations beholden to mutual fund managers.

I posted a write up about Mason Hawkins a few months ago that you can see here, http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=4729 if you want a little more background on Mason and the folks at Longleaf.

Mason opened the meeting by citing six principles than any true investor must have in order to succeed in the long-term:

1. You need a sound philosophy
2. Good Search Strategy
3. Ability to value businesses and assess management quality
4. Discipline to say no.
5. Patience
6. Courage to make a significant investment at the point of maximum pessimism


It is easy to see that not many people can truly admit that they adhere to these principles. Admittedly when I first started investing my money at 21, I can easily say that I was still in the early stages of developing a sound discplined approach. Having said that, I know now, seven years later, that because of my somewhat "early" start, and my steadfast belief in the principles set forth in The Intelligent Investor, I am very aware of the attributes needed to ensure a successful long-term investment operation.

Understand however, that it's the true application over time that shapes the development of these principles. Charlie Munger remarked at the 2007 Berkshire Annual Meeting that "Warren has gotten better over the years." One needs to really think about Munger's statement.  Berkshire shareholders have been fablously rewarded because that they have had the good fortune to have the same guy at the helm who has gotten better over time.  The point is that over time the investment philosophy will become more sound, your search strategy will improve, the ability to value a business will expand, and your experience should keep you disciplined. If you are not patient, then odds are that you will not do well over time.

If you are among the minority that can truly say they mentally grasp the first five principles, and your reasoning and data are right, back up the truck and make a substaintail investment.  Forget all the EMT non-sense about diversification.  A well-chosen, carefully selected portfolio of 7-10 securities is all you need to have a market beating portfolio.  You have to be able to eliminate all the noise and accept the fact that most superior investments will be made at the exact time all the "smart" people want nothing to do with it.  In the 1960's Buffett put over 30% of his partnership's assets into American Express amidst a scandal.  In 2006, Mohnish Pabrai loaded up on Pinnacle Airlines when everyone thought the airline industry was the worst investment ever.

The key to all of this can be summed up in one word: rationality.

Success in investing has nothing to do with your IQ level and everything to do with your ability to be rational in your thinking and being able to eliminate all the excess noise. A good investment can usually be explained by three or four fundamental reasons as to why it is underpriced relative to intrinsic value. To draw an analogy, consider the great chess masters Kasprov, Spasky, etc. Chess masters have developed very specific patterns on how to approach a match. While certain adjustments may need to be made, the overall pattern remains the same each time. The same approach and discipline is required in investing. Mohnish Pabrai told me once "that I can eliminate most companies in 10 minutes or less." Why? Because he has his pattern and knows what to look for in a business in order to pursue it further.

At Longleaf, and with any sound investment operation, the approach should be both qualitative and quantitative. The key is buy cheap, not what is down in price. On the quantitative side, a margin of safety requirement demands one to look for businesses that are trading at significant discounts to intrinsic values - at Longleaf, they want at least 60%. There also must be qualitative elements as well in the business like shareholder oriented management, a competitive advantage and so forth or otherwise you really don't have a intelligent investment.

Mason Hawkins read The Intelligent Investor as a senior in high school. At the meeting he told the partners that the most fundamental concepts to investing are summed up in two Chapters: 8 and 20--Invest with a margin of safety and look at every investment as part ownership in a business.

Asked about private equity and all the froth in the industry, Mason replied,

"Capitalism has a way of turning a good idea at a low price into a bad idea at a high price. It makes sense to buy at 6x operating cash flow, but at 14x operating cash flow it is very problematic and harmful to do so using massive leverage."

I would like to share another quote of Mason's that he shared to business students a few months ago that I feel sums up the whole idea,

"If you are not willing to look stupid in the short run, you are not likely to be a successful investor in the long-run."

Afterwards, I had the great fortune to have dinner with Mason and the wonderful people at Longleaf after the meeting. I met some really wonderful people, both successful in business and their personal lives. I found this combination to be the rule and not the exception at Longleaf as this is the culture that Mason has created. As impressive as Mason has been managing money, he is even more so with his efforts in his community and hometown. You wouldn't know this because like all great individuals, Mason refuses to take any personal credit for his philanthropy and prefers anonymity.

 

 

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Chrles Margolin - 7 years ago
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